<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Then again, there's nothing I hate more when new members jump in the middle of a discussion without introducing themselves beforehand [img]wink.gif[/img]Originally posted by Steve Holmes:
nbps let me commend you on being new to the forum and not posting a new topic that says OMG HI I'M NEW just to introduce yourself. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Hi Steve,
I dig your web site.
Hi Suspiria,
What is the protocol to introduce myself? What would you like to know about me? It didn't seem to me that I was out of line, just giving some advice from my personal experience. We are all in the same boat, right!
Geez, I don't want any attitude problems from members.
Anyway, did anybody check out the Steel Pulse CD's. What do you think about Grizzly & Conrad's playing?
Most drummers who aren't familiar with Moeller tech usually stumble upon a form of it while trying to play faster 8ths and 16ths on the hi hat. It's something I picked up when I was about 12 and never knew what it was at the time. I began to incorporate it into other things I learned like the double shuffle and other static or ostinato type patterns elsewhere on the kit.
There's a section on Peter Erskine's "Everything is Timekeeping" vol 1 vid where he discusses how what you play on hi hat can change the whole character of a time feel. He plays a simple HH SD BD thing and demonstrates a variety of different ways to approach the hi hat over the same kick-snare patterns. This is a great study on how to come up with a part to fit the mood and character of the tune. This doesn't get into a lot of how to technical stuff but shows a process for making wise musical choices. I highly recommend this one.
Hey nbps
You probably did the best intro by making others, like myself, think about a player like Steel Pulse's Steve ?Grizzly? Nisbett!
Steve has some issues with repeated threads and intro threads...at least he's consistent with everyone...just call him Big Daddy! [img]wink.gif[/img]
Jump right in drumbro...when the boys are in town, there are no rules!
Back to topic...
Got to mention Floyd Sneed of 3 Dog Night for tasty hat dynamics. He makes those tunes come alive! Also, can't believe no mention of Level 42's Phil Gould. Also x2...Listen to Jeff rip it up on M McDonald's Lonely Talk off; Take It To Heart...this is a groove masterpiece. Jeff plays a nasty hat pattern that is his most complex I've heard him record. Landau lays down a killer guitar track w/Abe Sr on bass. Mean stuff!
Lastly, when I play a hat pattern, I find it difficult to appreciate the nuances and dynamics with my ear, when I'm playing. It isn't until I record myself that I can hear the subtle difference I want. In fact, currently, I hate my hat sound live in my practice room and have always disliked the sound and feel of the instrument. When I record myself, it's a different story.
It's like Dave's early video when he plays a fusion groove and gives the example of being in a club, THINKING his dynamics are in place and then he gets back to the hotel room and they are all over the place. (Dave then plays the groove like it really sounded verse what he THOUGHT it sounded like to illustrate)
Oh...Hey nbps
No place to private message you, but I'd like to hear; Rastafari Centennial: Live in Paris...wanna trade/ share? Email me: [email protected] I have a Live Level 42 with Phil you might like.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ November 11, 2005 03:42 PM: Message edited by: PocketPlayer ]</font>
Phil with Level 42 is another great example of hihat dynamics.
Going back to the one handed 16th note Jeff thing. I actually asked Russ Miller about his technique since he has to do a lot of this for the Grover Washington Jr. gig. He said it's basically Moeller with 1/2 wrist motion. That seems to work for him.
That being said, IMHO, the thing that makes Jeff's version sound so good is that he is NOT using any dynamics for the 16th notes. Just laying down a silky smooth canvas so he can put the deepin the pocket snare on 2 & 4 and make it groove with his incredible kick placement.
Danny
I agree LA D...Jeff IMO is NOT using a Moeller type technique. Moller gives you an uneven accent, but it is much easier to play. I play it like Jeff and because of his influence and being ignorant of Moller type techniques years ago, I just developed it over time. I can now play it with a Moller type technique stated by Russ Miller above--it is much easier for me and I can play it like this all day, but it is NOT as smooth and silky. Again, the benefit of taping myself reveals this clearly.
Jeff's video is a great visual for this. I recall Jim Keltner commenting in MD's 10 Year tribute issue to Jeff's passing that he never saw the instructional video Jeff made and couldn't believe the precision of his playing and what little wasted motion he had.
mmm wasted motion mmm.
Very true though PP. Why expend any more effort physically than is really necessary?
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